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Post by tophatjohnny on Mar 19, 2021 9:04:30 GMT -5
Here is my take on this evil attempt to again control the population!! Let’s call it what it is shall we! It's actually not a "vaccine" by medical or legal definition; vaccines use an antigen and this injection does not. Its an experimental gene therapy. Neither Pfizer nor Moderna patents classify them as vaccines. Research what you are actually allowing into your body. They are mRNA shots.
I am not their lab rat nor a democRat! Say you and hope this one doesn’t get shut down! 😊🎩
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Post by tonyb on Mar 19, 2021 9:45:24 GMT -5
You can say exactly what you want here.
I tend to agree with you though.
This covid virus was a deliberate release. The response was deliberately delayed to allow it to spread world wide. The fear machine rolled up quick and is still rolling in order for those in power to enact emergency powers that over ride your rights. With the success of that, they will use climate change in the same manner of emergency. How else would Gates and Fauci, predict Trump would have to deal with a virus outbreak. They had control of the funding for the virus, control over the vaccine for it, and control over the messaging to enact lockdowns. Anyone who spoke up against them, even other scientists, were shut down and removed from social media limiting their attempts to inform people of the fraud.
Soon the financial collapse will come on it's heels...as planned also. You can already see we are moving towards a tyrannical form of government. You cannot question them, nor question what they teach your kids. You will have to show vaccination papers to move around, go to sporting events, travel,fly. There is a reason why they are insistent everyone gets a vaccine that manipulates your DNA, and it isn't for your benefit. It's all right in front of your nose , the lack of holding China responsible, or investigating the lab. The WHO and the U.N. are both "one world government" activists and everything they do moves us closer to that goal. They also openly admit the planet needs to lose a few billion people. Gates and Fauci are on the same pages as they are too. I have no doubt this vaccine will hinder a persons ability to reproduce, male and female. May even cause enough birth defects to have a negative effect on people even wanting to try to have kids. Birth rates here in the USA are already at all time lows. You know who is having kids though ? Minorities. People we let in illegally. Chinese have been using San Fran as a birthing city for a long time now. Latinos have been using the whole of the Southwest.
BTW....if you get the vaccine, your life insurance is void for a year. Why ? Because it's deemed an experimental drug because of the emergency authorization by the FDA. It did not get it's fully backed safety box checked.
Nobody knows what the long term effects will be from the vaccine. I think they know, I think they planned on it too. They will use the "nobody knew" excuse to avoid any legal fallout. They will say it was an emergency situation. The vaccine makers are already immune from lawsuits anyway. In any event, what has happened over this last year, and has been happening over time, is trust has eroded in any agency of authority. Governments, local, state and federal, police, school boards, corporations, media....all in the toilet. Know what the common denominator is, Democrats and Rinos....foreign money, lobbyist money that has corrupted politicians for over a hundred years. They will dump you deplorable white people for those of color, who are poor and more controllable, more easily kept on the reservation of dependency. Why do you think they are for open borders, reparation's, affirmative action policies, anti conservative policies, etc. I could go on, but you get the jist, trust is gone, therefor....government as it sits today should be gone and revamped. They no longer have the consent of the people, and they know it. Isn't that why they have fences and guards up around the capitol ? They know what they are doing, and they are scared of you.
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Post by tonyb on Mar 19, 2021 11:41:31 GMT -5
covexit.com/expert-sounds-the-alarm-about-risks-of-mass-vaccination/This dude Geert, is no wannabe scientist or anti vaxer, he has quite the resume and is as pro vaccine as one can get. However, he believes we are going about this all wrong and the way we are doing things will result in....you guessed it....mass extermination of people. Well, wasn't that the plan all along ? Think about who is culpable in this fraud....the elite....politicians, the elite in media, the elite in academia the elite in corporations. They all subscribe to a one world government where they the elite rule and you the deplorable peasants are used to turn the knobs and pull the levers to make things work. The mundane jobs the elite don't want to do. You will serve them until the time they are done using you. There is a purpose to all this mask stuff and push to get vaccinated, and that purpose is not what the fake media is telling you.
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Post by tophatjohnny on Mar 19, 2021 13:23:08 GMT -5
covexit.com/expert-sounds-the-alarm-about-risks-of-mass-vaccination/This dude Geert, is no wannabe scientist or anti vaxer, he has quite the resume and is as pro vaccine as one can get. However, he believes we are going about this all wrong and the way we are doing things will result in....you guessed it....mass extermination of people. Well, wasn't that the plan all along ? Think about who is culpable in this fraud....the elite....politicians, the elite in media, the elite in academia the elite in corporations. They all subscribe to a one world government where they the elite rule and you the deplorable peasants are used to turn the knobs and pull the levers to make things work. The mundane jobs the elite don't want to do. You will serve them until the time they are done using you. There is a purpose to all this mask stuff and push to get vaccinated, and that purpose is not what the fake media is telling you. Exactly right brother but let’s stop referring it (the shot)as a vaccine because it’s not! ! It is flat out Gene Therapy and is pretty messed all the obedient ones , yips know , (ya see em wearing masks in their cars even when alone) those are the same people that are ever so anxious to take the shot or shots and equally anxious to tell everyone they took it! They took it alright! We are in a sad situation under Resident Biden who is also under control of the evil regime but just as much to blame ! All of these I repeat “All of These” elites are in on it! Population control is their plan and it’s happening now ! Trump just slowed if but in no means stopped it or what’s to come! Stay with the thread and either contribute or learn what you can! Tony in so right and has no reason to make shit up! The shot should scare the hell outta ya! Living shouldn’t !
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Post by mhardy6647 on Mar 19, 2021 16:06:31 GMT -5
messenger RNA, despite being made of the same stuff (ribonucleic acid) as the genetic material of RNA viruses, isn't genetic material per se. It can only drive the synthesis of the protein for which it encodes, and it lacks any of the regulatory elements and any introns of the actual viral gene for the protein for which it serves as a template. All mRNA can do is drive the biosynthesis of a protein by the target cell's ribosomes. mRNA is also notoriously unstable.
It is emphatically not gene therapy.
The adenovirus vector vaccines (J&J's and Astra-Zeneca's, and maybe some of the "other" ones from countries with whom we're not overly friendly) do, in fact, introduce a form of a COVID-19 spike protein compent's gene into host cells, and the adenovirus's (modified) genetic sequence does drive the target cell to transcribe mRNA and then biosynthesize the spike protein. Those are closer to "gene therapy", but there are already approved, available adenovirus-based vaccines. EDIT: Actually, it looks like most of the adenovirus vector based vaccines are still in clinical trials. There does appear to be one approved tuberculosis vaccine using an adenovirus vector to deliver the gene for the immunogen, but I need to read more to get a better contextual understanding of this. Sorry!
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Post by tophatjohnny on Mar 19, 2021 20:49:44 GMT -5
messenger RNA, despite being made of the same stuff (ribonucleic acid) as the genetic material of RNA viruses, isn't genetic material per se. It can only drive the synthesis of the protein for which it encodes, and it lacks any of the regulatory elements and any introns of the actual viral gene for the protein for which it serves as a template. All mRNA can do is drive the biosynthesis of a protein by the target cell's ribosomes. mRNA is also notoriously unstable. It is emphatically not gene therapy. The adenovirus vector vaccines (J&J's and Astra-Zeneca's, and maybe some of the "other" ones from countries with whom we're not overly friendly) do, in fact, introduce a form of a COVID-19 spike protein compent's gene into host cells, and the adenovirus's (modified) genetic sequence does drive the target cell to transcribe mRNA and then biosynthesize the spike protein. Those are closer to "gene therapy", but there are already approved, available adenovirus-based vaccines. EDIT: Actually, it looks like most of the adenovirus vector based vaccines are still in clinical trials. There does appear to be one approved tuberculosis vaccine using an adenovirus vector to deliver the gene for the immunogen, but I need to read more to get a better contextual understanding of this. Sorry! Do keep us posted and yes it is Gene therapy according to actual doctors and even scientists have labeled it as such ! While I’m no dr nor Einstein I am close to someone who just lost a loved one shortly after taking the shot and she was kind of a health nut! Their family is getting the cold shoulder from local police and the place she agreed to take the drug! She was trying not to Get let go from the agency she nursed through ! Her body shut down !! There are countless others that are being kept hush hush too ! My wife is a nurse of 25 plus years and her and her colleagues all refuse to partake in this experimental gene therapy ! Just watching to see how long it will take before shot mandates kick in !! Getting ready that’s for sure ! The Resident in the White House is just following orders ! The much bigger evil shall be exposed ! Got our popcorn 🍿
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Post by tonyb on Mar 20, 2021 9:23:51 GMT -5
messenger RNA, despite being made of the same stuff (ribonucleic acid) as the genetic material of RNA viruses, isn't genetic material per se. It can only drive the synthesis of the protein for which it encodes, and it lacks any of the regulatory elements and any introns of the actual viral gene for the protein for which it serves as a template. All mRNA can do is drive the biosynthesis of a protein by the target cell's ribosomes. mRNA is also notoriously unstable. It is emphatically not gene therapy. The adenovirus vector vaccines (J&J's and Astra-Zeneca's, and maybe some of the "other" ones from countries with whom we're not overly friendly) do, in fact, introduce a form of a COVID-19 spike protein compent's gene into host cells, and the adenovirus's (modified) genetic sequence does drive the target cell to transcribe mRNA and then biosynthesize the spike protein. Those are closer to "gene therapy", but there are already approved, available adenovirus-based vaccines. EDIT: Actually, it looks like most of the adenovirus vector based vaccines are still in clinical trials. There does appear to be one approved tuberculosis vaccine using an adenovirus vector to deliver the gene for the immunogen, but I need to read more to get a better contextual understanding of this. Sorry! Doc, the way it was described to me is the messenger RNA , while doing what it's suppose to do in attacking certain proteins, doesn't have an off switch. It keeps attacking proteins, and will look for other proteins to attack if the covid ones are gone, playing into it's unstable nature. Think of it as writing code for a computer program, this MRNA stays within you and keeps running that program of attacking proteins. There is no sleep mode, no off switch like in traditional vaccines that may lay dormant until a virus is detected again. Also, the MRNA leaves you unprotected against other pathogens because it has your whole immune system concentrated on one area of covid. Your body in it's natural state can make adjustments in it's immune responses. Going by memory here of how it was explained to me so I may not be exact.
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Post by tonyb on Mar 20, 2021 9:38:32 GMT -5
“This type of prophylactic vaccines are completely inappropriate, and even highly dangerous, when used in mass vaccination campaigns during a viral pandemic,” he maintains.
Central to his concerns are the detrimental consequences of further “viral immune escape,” prompting both weakened natural immunity and vaccine resistance to variants.
“How long can one ignore the problem when there is at present massive evidence that viral immune escape is now threatening humanity?”
“It’s becoming increasingly difficult to imagine how the consequences of the extensive and erroneous human intervention in this pandemic are not going to wipe out large parts of our human population.”
Vanden Bossche suggests that herd immunity will not be achieved with the current vaccines, as they “turn vaccine recipients into asymptomatic carriers who are shedding virus.” Just a small take on Geerts position.... He calls for the use of vaccines that would be completely different from conventional vaccines in that they’re not inducing the B and T cells, but rather the natural killer (NK) cells.
According to Vanden Bossche, there is compelling scientific evidence that the NK cells play a key role in facilitating complete elimination of COVID-19 at an early stage of infection in asymptomatic infected subjects.
Vanden Bossche has already warned various organizations, including the WHO, about his findings and recommendations.
For him, “immediate cancellation of all ongoing Covid-19 mass vaccination campaigns should now become THE most acute health emergency of international concern,” and he urges an immediate international debate on the issue.
This was just a snippet of Geerts position.
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Post by pitdogg2 on Mar 20, 2021 9:58:18 GMT -5
March 8th my good friend received the Moderna shot. 5 days later they're dead. They tested negative for covid prior to the shot, now supposedly they died from Covid-19.
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Post by JC on Mar 20, 2021 10:11:11 GMT -5
So the way to control folks is by information, we all know that. But rewriting science and history is truly brilliant on their part. CDC redefined “herd immunity” as when (paraphrasing) everyone gets a vacc and now there is a “herd immunity”. The only thing correct in that is the word “herd”....of sheep.
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Post by tonyb on Mar 20, 2021 10:23:05 GMT -5
If too much negativity escapes, then too many will refuse the shots. So far over 1640 people have died from the vaccine, but they won't tell you that. Instead it may be natural causes of some other B.S. reason. In their eyes, nobody can die from the vaccine, but everyone can die from the virus whether you have the virus or not.
If your young, in fairly good health, there is no reason to be taking an MRNA vaccine. Elderly, obese, poor health or pre existing conditions, yeah, get a shot, but don't get the MRNA one.
Is anyone scared of getting Aids/HIV anymore ? How about measles...TB ? Those vaccines you got as a kid, only last about 10 years, anyone go renew those shots out of fear ? You keep getting flu shots every year, because the flu virus, which is a corona virus, keeps mutating into different strains. The covid virus does too, and some say it can mutate in as little as 10 hours, so just like if you got the same flu shot this year as last year, your chances of not being protected rise. They will tell you the MRNA vaccines are good for the variants also, but they really don't know with so little time to study it. Isn't that why, even after you get your vaccine shots, your still told to social distance, wear a mask, even double mask, stay away from crowds, etc ? Because they don't know. Or even if they did, then they are using scare tactics to keep things under their control.
Getting back to Geerts hypothesis, I see stories of spikes in CV cases in states with high vaccination rates. This is exactly what Geert was talking about.
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Post by mhardy6647 on Mar 20, 2021 12:17:12 GMT -5
I am not going to try to convince any of you of anything other than the beliefs you hold about the workings of molecular biology. That said, and this is meant with extreme sincerity, reportable adverse events in the clinic is a very big deal and one taken very seriously by the pharmaceutical companies and by the world's regulatory agencies. This is especially true in the case of the current crop of COVID-19 vaccines, because, at least in the US, none has been approved by the FDA. They've received authorization for emergency use. IF any of you knows of events in which a person was given any of these vaccines and died or suffered a severe adverse event, AND ESPECIALLY IF you know that these events were reported and that those reports have not been properly responded to, you have a responsibility to report them to the FDA. www.fda.gov/safety/reporting-serious-problems-fda/how-consumers-can-report-adverse-event-or-serious-problem-fdaThis is called pharmacovigilance, and it is a big, big deal. NOT reporting such events is criminal in the case of 'industry insiders' (this was drilled into us in training in Big Pharma). None of you would be in a position to be held criminally responsible, but if you KNOW of a correlation (!) between a vaccine dose and a death, you are part of the problem if you don't report it yourself. You will have to name names and give details -- 'friend of a friend' won't help the victim, their survivors, nor the pharmaceutical development enterprise.
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Post by tonyb on Mar 20, 2021 13:04:25 GMT -5
Doc, trust in any government agency is like less than zero. Nobody trusts the FDA to do the right thing and over time with other issues, that mistrust isn't falsely placed.
Not reporting adverse effects of a vaccine may be criminal you say ? How about falsifying death certificates to read covid as the main reason, when instead it was that bus sitting on the persons head. Should that not be criminal ? We already have admitted proof of that yet nobody is being charged with a crime.
Your operating on the assumption that laws are followed, they are not, and for the right people, they never will be either.
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Post by afterburnt on Mar 20, 2021 14:51:39 GMT -5
Well, it sure is a lot easier than herding people into death camps.
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Post by afterburnt on Mar 20, 2021 14:54:07 GMT -5
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Post by tonyb on Mar 20, 2021 15:51:37 GMT -5
Well, it sure is a lot easier than herding people into death camps. Yep, that optical wouldn't play well. But a virus, caused maybe by climate change, why by Joe we have a winner.
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Post by kennyb on Mar 20, 2021 17:58:37 GMT -5
Got my first shot today so there's that...
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Post by mhardy6647 on Mar 20, 2021 18:01:16 GMT -5
Got my first shot today so there's that... Which one didja get? I am ( finally) eligible to sign up on Monday morning at 8AM EDT.
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Post by merrypranksters on Mar 20, 2021 18:05:12 GMT -5
Also got the first one Wednesday, Pfizer.
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Post by kennyb on Mar 20, 2021 18:07:46 GMT -5
Got my first shot today so there's that... Which one didja get? I am ( finally) eligible to sign up on Monday morning at 8AM EDT. The M one. I always fuck up the spelling, lol
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Post by tophatjohnny on Mar 20, 2021 19:54:55 GMT -5
And of course we will indeed hear from members that accept this experimental drug for various reasons and as I hear about them along with another close friend in MN who has serious breathing conditions I will keep these folks in my prayers and hope they all recover from such!
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Post by JC on Mar 20, 2021 22:28:11 GMT -5
I personally have no issue with others getting vaccinated. I just want to be able to CHOOSE no to. Same with the fucking masks.
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Post by tonyb on Mar 21, 2021 10:41:41 GMT -5
Exactly Joe. Getting vaccinated is a personal choice that everyone has to make for themselves. It gets a bit too much when people start shaming others for not getting jabbed, or even getting the shot too. Masks included as well. Should have a choice.
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Post by mbblrick on Mar 21, 2021 11:15:17 GMT -5
I had my 2nd Moderna shot a month ago aand only very minor side effects: slightly sore injection site.....that was it.
Only reason I signed up for the shots was to act as a human guinea pig for the rest if my family (who still haven't received their shots). Straight up, I didn't give a krap if I got a shot or not, I wanted to see for myself the effects of the shot on myself and personally observe the effects on those around me. That way I can relay those obserservations to my family.
BTW EXCELLENT information and views being posted here While the shots may not cause immediate harm ( with exceptions of course) what are the long term effects and subsequent requirements ?
Is it POSSIBLE that the vaccine module will require yearly re-vaccinations ? Will the Pfizer/Moderna "take over" from the body's natural defenses so that you HAVE TO get a yearly shot if you want to live ?
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Post by afterburnt on Mar 21, 2021 11:20:22 GMT -5
"A Cedars-Sinai study has found that injecting men with female sex hormones reduces the severity of coronavirus infections" -Daily Mail
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Post by afterburnt on Mar 21, 2021 11:26:01 GMT -5
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Post by mbblrick on Mar 21, 2021 11:27:14 GMT -5
I had my 2nd Moderna shot a month ago aand only very minor side effects: slightly sore injection site.....that was it.
Only reason I signed up for the shots was to act as a human guinea pig for the rest if my family (who still haven't received their shots). Straight up, I didn't give a krap if I got a shot or not, I wanted to see for myself the effects of the shot on myself and personally observe the effects on those around me. That way I can relay those obserservations to my family.
BTW EXCELLENT information and views being posted here While the shots may not cause immediate harm ( with exceptions of course) what are the long term effects and subsequent requirements ?
Is it POSSIBLE that the vaccine module will require yearly re-vaccinations ? Will the Pfizer/Moderna "take over" from the body's natural defenses so that you HAVE TO get a yearly shot if you want to live ?
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Post by merrypranksters on Mar 21, 2021 12:45:41 GMT -5
^^ you sure it wasn’t more like, take the vaccine or get out of the home?
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Post by afterburnt on Mar 21, 2021 13:00:32 GMT -5
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Post by tonyb on Mar 21, 2021 13:16:04 GMT -5
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